Junkyard V8 rescue

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Okay, got the crankshaft back from the machine shop today. Here's where the money went:

Magnaflux crankshaft $30.00
Grind crank 10/10 $114.00
Rear seal sleeve $11.06

total with tax $166.98


Here's the crank rear with the sleeve installed:

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...and here's a shot of the freshly ground crank, just to add eye candy to this post:

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I'll be getting more photos this Saturday when the block is decked.

PS That's not rust on the bottom journal; it's the reflection of the counter top--just in case enquiring minds wanted to know.
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Looking good Rob.Keep the updates coming.
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Good thread Rob. You may want to get some 2000 grit paper and light oil and polish the journals to may them super smooth. Not enough to take off material, just enough to polish. Make sure all them there journals get cleaned out with a small brush, lot of junk hides in there. I wouldn't be in a big disagreement with the first shop about the intakes. Is grinding hte right way to do it...of course. Can you get away without it, yes, I know guys who have had it done, either block or heads decked and nothing done to intake and no sealing problems. Then I know of guys who had alot removed from deck, the not intake and had sealing problems. Guess it just depends on amount removed. I would probably have it done as a piece of mind to prevent issues down the road.
Nice job and thanks for the pics and updates.
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You're right, Blazer. I've changed my opinion of the first shop a bit after spending time at the machine shop while decking the block a few days ago.

The damage to the engine block deck between cylinder 3 and 5 was about .012" deep, but the shop operator told me that he expected more material would be needed to be removed than that. Reason: few blocks are anything close to square. Whether it's because of machining tolerances at the factory or heat/cool cycles during the many miles a vehicle is used, he wasn't sure, but as it turned out he was right. My block on both banks was higher at the bell housing end than at the front. The driver's side deck had an extra bonus--it also was higher on the valley side than on the exhaust manifold side. It really shows how sloppy the fit can be and the intake manifold gaskets still take up the slack, so the guy at the first machine shop I talked to maybe knew what he was talking about, much as I hate to admit it.

Anyway, the block is now decked and waiting for the next step. This step is to check the alignment of the main bearing bore. Unfortunately, this step will have to wait until the first of the year as the operator will be gone until then. So until then, here's some photos of the decking operation.

The engine deck grinder.

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Here's the grinder head and the 10 grinding stones. These stones rotate within the circular guard. The head only travels up and down; the bed of the machine, where the block gets positioned, reciprocates horizontally and moves the block under the grinder head. With each reciprocation of the bed, the grinder head drops down a pre-set amount, in this case it was .002". It took about 20 minutes a side to deck the block, but the entire operation took far longer due to block setup in the grinder.

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The block is being positioned in the deck grinder.

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Water, with a rust inhibitor, is used as a coolant while the block is being decked. Even with the water on, sparks still fly.

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From time to time, the operator takes a measurement using a dial indicator placed in a measuring jig. When the deck is nearing its final height, the operator slows down the feed of the bed while the grinder head maintains its speed. This puts the required finish on the deck.

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After both decks have been ground, the block is taken to the pressure washer. Here, the block sits on a turntable and is spun slowly while near boiling water and detergent is sprayed upon it under pressure. After a set time, the detergent is shut off and just hot water is used as a rinse. Then, out comes the hot block in a haze of steam, incredibly clean and new looking. The block would soon rust, but it is quickly dried off with compressed air and then sprayed with WD-40.

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And that's the state the block is now in; I'll get back at it in about 2 weeks.

The cost of getting the block decked was $100.
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Forgot to put this in the post above...this is a photo of the damaged area on the block deck. Not the best shot, but maybe you can make out the flame cut area between the cylinders. The damage is much less here than on the head probably because the deck had better cooling from the water jacket below.
If you look closely, you can see roughness in the metal around the water jacket holes. This deck needed to be machined just because of that, according to the shop operator.
You can also really see the ridge at the top of the cylinders-- this engine had some miles on it.

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Rob,
A spray we have used over the yrs for parts we have bought to resell at sway meets or on the net is "LPS III".It is costly where a can costs like 8 bucks,but you don't use much.For you,it can be used for storage of parts while you get the rest of the parts.It is guaranteed not to rust for three years.We just spray and bag.It works.
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Great pics rob =D> nicely done,its cool that they let you take them,always wanted to know how this was done ,now I do.keep them coming when you can.
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Any up dates Rob?.
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Gary, as a matter of fact, I just saw the machine shop operator yesterday. Looks like this Friday we'll be reconditioning the connecting rods, if all works out okay time wise for him.
I'm looking forward to seeing this done--all this engine work is a first for me.
The camera will be present and clicking, naturally!
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Rob,
When you got thru the rods,are you going to bush them to make them into floater?.
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No, I'm going to keep the rods stock.
Didn't get a chance to call the shop operator today--I'll have to call him in the morning and see what's up. Hope his schedule works out so we can get some work done on the engine.
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Lookin good Rob. I'm jealous for sure.
That first pic of the crank I thought you had it sitting on the bedspread. I was about to give yo a call to let you know you can't do that and to get it off before your bride got home.
Really nice Rob.
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Larry, nothing to be jealous of, that's for sure. This engine was in worse shape than I thought it would be when I bought it from the junkyard. I' getting the feeling that it would be cheaper to get a crate engine...
But I'm really enjoying watching the machine work on the engine; it's something I've never seen before. I can really see how engine rebuilding could get addicting. I've got a '74 Chevy 350 engine awaiting its turn for a rebuild and I'm seriously thinking of making it an alcohol-only engine. E85 is getting easy to get around here and I'm itchin' to see what a dedicated fuel engine would run like on alcohol. By that I mean building the engine with something like a 12:1 compression ratio to take advantage of E85's 105 octane rating, even if it means that I could never run straight gasoline in it again.
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Oh, yeah, no engine work done today. The machine shop operator was busy catching up after getting back from vacation.
Hopefully next week will see some action.
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Oh, yeah, no engine work done today. The machine shop operator was busy catching up after getting back from vacation.
Hopefully next week will see some action.
For the new guys,,this is what's said when you take a deep breath that you won't have to shell out any cash this week. :muhaha:
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