What s the easiest/simplest V* swap into a 98 AWD

[ScottS]

So, if I am going to ever get a V8 into this thing , I need to first identify the donor vehicle that I need to search for

So what am I looking for ? I would like to be as plug and play as possible , and pass emissons- want torque for trailer towing

What year and model GM vehicle am I looking for ? 1500 ? Tahoe ? Suburban ? Etc ETc

I plan to get a donor subframe ( mine is rusty ) and mount the v8 in the new subframe with a rebuilt trans, all new front suspension, halfshafts etc , basilcally all new front end ( going to drive this van for a long time)

Going to do big brakes , etc while I have it apart, and new body mounts while I am at it . Also all new brake lines , gas lines etc

So , what transmission, engine combo woud be the best mate with the chassis ?

Anone got a line on an AWD subframe in non-rusty condition ?

Also , I should add that I will sell the 4.3 , 84k miles runs super , you can hear it run before I take it out , make me an offer , in Cleveland, if anone needs a re-power .

[LiftedAWDAstro]

The best donor would be any Vortec 5700 from a 1998 1500, tahoe, suburban etc. If you get a donor, try for a 4x4 model and get the tranny too. Then find another BW4472 transfer case and you can have the complete package ready to swap in while still driving your van.

What trailer(s) are you towing that you need the V8 torque rather than just swapping to 4.10 gears (much cheaper than a V8 swap) and pulling the trailer? Is it a fully enclosed trailer with a large frontal area or is it your open trailer hauling your race car? If it just the open trailer hauling a race car, the 4.10 swap will definitely get it done for a LOT less money and work.

[skippy]

i could be wrong but i think peter still has an awd front clip available from his projects .

[GEJ]

To answer the title of this thread-well one that someone else is paying for.

A V8 swap could cost you in the range of $2,500 to $5,000 grand.Yeah there will be guys who say you could spend less and more.

I will agree with Lifted if it is a open trailer and if it's not,alot depends on how long the enclosed trailer is.Just got to use your head on towing and what you use to tow.

[ScottS]

Thanks for the comments/thoughts

Let me lay out the scenario and we can figure out the best optons

1. My van (98 AWD) was totaled by the insurace company . Interor is mint , paint is decent , mtor and trans run great, rear air works etc etc only 85k miles. ( not much for a 98 - !)

2. In the accident, which only damaged the hood and the grille/bumper ( plus the windshield now leaks somewhere and the radiator support was pushed back pretty good) I noticed teh subrame was pretty rusty.

3. I have been wanting to build a towmonster to pull an open race car trailer. Figure 4,000 lbs. Not much frontal area.


One option was to get a new subframe , install a v8 , and kill two bids with one stone . I could have all new rebuilt steerng and suspension and a new crate motor or maybe a low mileage motor. Put the big brakes on , new brake lines, fuel lines etc and I shoudl have a pretty reliable vehicle.

THe opton that was brought up was to put lower gears in teh rear end ( a good idea since I want to replace the rear axle anyways because the brackets the leaf springs attach too are too rusty ) .

I like ths idea too, but would still want to replace the subframe. And I still need to fix or replace the radiator support, the shroud, the AC pump , the radiator , AC condenser etc.

I coudl get a crate 4.3 and a new ( different) subframe and put the 4.10's in the rear I guess I guess. What woudl happen to my mileage with the 4.10 set up ? I also thought the v8* would get better mileage


Anyways things I have to replace either way

1. Subframe ( rusty ) control arms rusty too
2. Rad Support
3. Rear Axle
4. Radiator
5. Shroud
6. Reseal Windshield
7/ Rebuild steering , ball joints , driveshafts , front wheel bearings ( I just want it all new)
8. Big brakes all around
9. new brake and gas lines ( rusty)
10. AC Compressor on the way out

So since I was going to have the subframe out anyways , I thought maybe a v8 would do the trick. No reason, though I couldn't move my v6 to a new subrame.


And if I buy another 10 year old van , I will have mostly the same issues to deal with anyways

[LiftedAWDAstro]

It really boils down to a question of how much cash are you budgeting for this project. Sounds like you are going to have around $10k to do what you want. But you will have one heck of a nice tow monster van!

The only real difference in the total cost is the price of the V8. You are basically going to rebuild the entire van so I say spend the extra cash on the V8. The 4.10 gears will pull your trailer and car fine and will even pull hills great. I would estimate you would get 13 - 15 mpg towing with the 4.3. The 350 should get that if not a little more with the 3.42's. It is very impressive how well the 4.3's pull with a nice set of 4.10 gears. I think 4.10's would probably be a waste on a 350 equipped van but don't know for sure.

[HPbyStan]

Did you ever think about just buying a full size van with a V8 in it?

[ScottS]

Thought about the full size van but have to have a Strofari . Only vehicle I want. Besides my corvairs

Heres a shot putting the drivetrain back in the 66. This is the car that will get hauled around by the Safari.






That 98 looks nice, that might solve my problems ?

The Ins Co. gave me $4k to replce the van, so I figured if I put that money back into the van I am not out anything . A crate 350 can be had for approx 2k ?

[LiftedAWDAstro]

The Ins Co. gave me $4k to replce the van, so I figured if I put that money back into the van I am not out anything . A crate 350 can be had for approx 2k ?

For all the work you want to do to your 98, $4k won't cover it! You would definitely be much further ahead buying another 98 AWD that has a great body and is not all rusted underneath. Then you can spend some cash upgrading the steering and driveline parts as needed.

[fingernipp]

The Ins Co. gave me $4k to replce the van, so I figured if I put that money back into the van I am not out anything . A crate 350 can be had for approx 2k ?

For all the work you want to do to your 98, $4k won't cover it! You would definitely be much further ahead buying another 98 AWD that has a great body and is not all rusted underneath. Then you can spend some cash upgrading the steering and driveline parts as needed.

I remember a while back there was always several AWD astros on ebay with blown motors. You could probably pick one up for very cheap and do your motor swap. Seems to be luck of the draw with the rusty subframes though. My 97 subframe looks like a lost anchor.... all it needs is some plants growing on it and maybe some crustations. No rust on the body though...not even underneath.

[s10-den]

I know where there is a non-rusted awd sub-frame.I dont know where you are, but I'm in Florida.

[peter]

Or, you could simply buy ZZ for $10K. You'd have to replace the heads, as the GM-sponsored rebuild under warranty had them shave the heads which bumped up the compression ratio a bit too much. She'll occasionally ping when pulling out from a dead stop.
I'm positive you could sell the existing heads on Ebay for a good amount, there's nuthin' wrong with them. My 502 in a 4000lbs car prolly wouldn't ping at all.

[ScottS]

Peter, I hear rumors (for you , rumours) that you have an AWD subframe ?

[peter]

"Had". Sold it for the price of two torsion bars this spring!

[ScottS]

Bummer - Thanks for the reply, I will keep looking .