X2timelessbeing wrote:I'm with the other guys. I have a 11 yr old pump that still works great. How often are you really gonna do that?
A weak and rusty floor doesn't seem worth it to me. Besides, it gives you the opportunity to check the condition of all the other "futzy" parts you mentioned. That's why I do all my own work instead of giving it to someone else.
Tips and Tricks
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Re: Tips and Tricks
I have thought about cutting the floor for ease of pump replacement.
I ended up dropping the tank instead.
WAY faster - Tanks can be dropped for pump access within 15 mins.
I ended up dropping the tank instead.
WAY faster - Tanks can be dropped for pump access within 15 mins.
90 Astro Cargo V-8
90 Artro RS - V-8 Now running!
& a bunch of tractors
"there's nothing like a V-8 Polluting the Environment"
90 Artro RS - V-8 Now running!
& a bunch of tractors
"there's nothing like a V-8 Polluting the Environment"
Re: Tips and Tricks
I would paint the edges up with some Krylon.timelessbeing wrote:I'm with the other guys. I have a 11 yr old pump that still works great. How often are you really gonna do that?
A weak and rusty floor doesn't seem worth it to me. Besides, it gives you the opportunity to check the condition of all the other "futzy" parts you mentioned. That's why I do all my own work instead of giving it to someone else.
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Re: Tips and Tricks
reaper wrote:I have thought about cutting the floor for ease of pump replacement.
I ended up dropping the tank instead.
WAY faster - Tanks can be dropped for pump access within 15 mins.
15 minutes? Is that starting from no tools or after you have the lift under the tank with all your tools prepped?
What do you think of my quest to swap transfer cases to the venerable BW4472?
viewtopic.php?f=58&t=9962
Photos including tear down for intake gaskets (PITA)
http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-xSjRG/i-bHzD6cz
viewtopic.php?f=58&t=9962
Photos including tear down for intake gaskets (PITA)
http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-xSjRG/i-bHzD6cz
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Depending on what year van you have, you must drop the tank anyway to cut the hole. When I replaced the fuel pump in the SPB, I elected to cut a hole. What I found was a steel plate about 1/16" thick sitting on top of the tank. I ended up dropping the tank anyways to remove the plate. I wanted the hole for ease of pump access in case of an issue while out wheeling. I wouldn't ever do it to a street driven van.
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2013 Toyota Tundra DC 4x4
2008 Dodge Nitro 4x4
2005 Nissan Sentra 1.8S Special Edition
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Vans owned:
1986 Safari 2.5L 4 speed manual - scrapped
1995 Astro 2WD conversion 4.11 posi, shift kit, DHC rock rails - sold to Skippy
1998 Astro 4x4 D44, D60, NP231, full hydraulic system with 9k# Milemarker winch and snow plow - sold to Lockdoc
2003 Astro AWD all stock - traded for a 3/4 ton truck
2005 AWD, 4.10's - sold to skippy
2013 Toyota Tundra DC 4x4
2008 Dodge Nitro 4x4
2005 Nissan Sentra 1.8S Special Edition
Mileage spreadsheet
Vans owned:
1986 Safari 2.5L 4 speed manual - scrapped
1995 Astro 2WD conversion 4.11 posi, shift kit, DHC rock rails - sold to Skippy
1998 Astro 4x4 D44, D60, NP231, full hydraulic system with 9k# Milemarker winch and snow plow - sold to Lockdoc
2003 Astro AWD all stock - traded for a 3/4 ton truck
2005 AWD, 4.10's - sold to skippy
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Re: Tips and Tricks
Seven vans in, I have never seen a completely dead pump, only weak ones.
Remove the guard on the passenger side of the tank.
Disconnect the fuel line connectors between the tank and the drive shaft.
Jump the fuel pump to pump out the tank.
Disconnect the filler neck.
Support the tank with cam-lock straps attached to the body (one front, one rear).
Remove the passenger side bolt on each tank strap (no need to do all four).
Rotate the straps out of the way.
Working back and forth, hold the free end of the cam-lock strap, release the cam-lock, slowly lower the tank.
Pull tank out from under van (might need to jack van up to do so).
Replace pump.
Reverse to install.
Last time I did this I skipped pumping the fuel out, with an estimated 15 gallons still in the tank (6.2 lbs/gal = 93 lbs, really not that heavy). This made lowering and raising the tank a little harder but not terrible.
Remove the guard on the passenger side of the tank.
Disconnect the fuel line connectors between the tank and the drive shaft.
Jump the fuel pump to pump out the tank.
Disconnect the filler neck.
Support the tank with cam-lock straps attached to the body (one front, one rear).
Remove the passenger side bolt on each tank strap (no need to do all four).
Rotate the straps out of the way.
Working back and forth, hold the free end of the cam-lock strap, release the cam-lock, slowly lower the tank.
Pull tank out from under van (might need to jack van up to do so).
Replace pump.
Reverse to install.
Last time I did this I skipped pumping the fuel out, with an estimated 15 gallons still in the tank (6.2 lbs/gal = 93 lbs, really not that heavy). This made lowering and raising the tank a little harder but not terrible.
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2005 Astro (Gandalf) - AWD, 4.3L, 3.42, 130k+ miles
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Re: Tips and Tricks
from start to having the tank in a position to acess the pump.Meterpig wrote:
15 minutes? Is that starting from no tools or after you have the lift under the tank with all your tools prepped?
It is a very simple process & by a mile better method than cutting
the floor.
90 Astro Cargo V-8
90 Artro RS - V-8 Now running!
& a bunch of tractors
"there's nothing like a V-8 Polluting the Environment"
90 Artro RS - V-8 Now running!
& a bunch of tractors
"there's nothing like a V-8 Polluting the Environment"
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Re: Tips and Tricks
Here's a tip. Use a transmission jack. It makes the job of removing and replacing the tank a piece of cake. It doesn't matter how much gas is in it.
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The math just doesn't add up.reaper wrote:from start to having the tank in a position to acess the pump.Meterpig wrote:
15 minutes? Is that starting from no tools or after you have the lift under the tank with all your tools prepped?
It is a very simple process & by a mile better method than cutting
the floor.
Remove the guard on the passenger side of the tank.
Disconnect the fuel line connectors between the tank and the drive shaft.
Jump the fuel pump to pump out the tank.
Disconnect the filler neck.
Support the tank with cam-lock straps attached to the body (one front, one rear).
Remove the passenger side bolt on each tank strap (no need to do all four).
Rotate the straps out of the way.
Working back and forth, hold the free end of the cam-lock strap, release the cam-lock, slowly lower the tank.
Pull tank out from under van (might need to jack van up to do so).
Replace pump.
Reverse to install.
What do you think of my quest to swap transfer cases to the venerable BW4472?
viewtopic.php?f=58&t=9962
Photos including tear down for intake gaskets (PITA)
http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-xSjRG/i-bHzD6cz
viewtopic.php?f=58&t=9962
Photos including tear down for intake gaskets (PITA)
http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-xSjRG/i-bHzD6cz
Re: Tips and Tricks
re read what I have said here.reaper wrote: Tanks can be dropped for pump access within 15 mins.
90 Astro Cargo V-8
90 Artro RS - V-8 Now running!
& a bunch of tractors
"there's nothing like a V-8 Polluting the Environment"
90 Artro RS - V-8 Now running!
& a bunch of tractors
"there's nothing like a V-8 Polluting the Environment"
Re: Tips and Tricks
reaper wrote:re read what I have said here.reaper wrote: Tanks can be dropped for pump access within 15 mins.
I read it but you said from start to when the pump is accessible. Tell you what, post it on youtube and if you can prove it-I will donate 10 bucks to AstroSafarivans.com. Maybe a mechanic can learn a thing or two from you.
What do you think of my quest to swap transfer cases to the venerable BW4472?
viewtopic.php?f=58&t=9962
Photos including tear down for intake gaskets (PITA)
http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-xSjRG/i-bHzD6cz
viewtopic.php?f=58&t=9962
Photos including tear down for intake gaskets (PITA)
http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-xSjRG/i-bHzD6cz
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Smiliesafari wrote:Here's a tip. Use a transmission jack. It makes the job of removing and replacing the tank a piece of cake. It doesn't matter how much gas is in it.
I would add that time of procuring/renting a tranny jack to this seemingly quick job.
What do you think of my quest to swap transfer cases to the venerable BW4472?
viewtopic.php?f=58&t=9962
Photos including tear down for intake gaskets (PITA)
http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-xSjRG/i-bHzD6cz
viewtopic.php?f=58&t=9962
Photos including tear down for intake gaskets (PITA)
http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-xSjRG/i-bHzD6cz
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Let's say you have a dead short,but can't seem to find it.Well if you interrupt the connection of your battery you might be able to find it this way.Take off the neg cable of the battery.Then connect a test light between the neg cable and a ground on the frame.That disrupts the battery circuit and if the test light is on,it is showing a dead short of the positive side of the battery where the battery is find a ground somewhere else.Then have someone watch the lite up test light while you pull fuses one at a time.Once the light goes off,you look closer at that circuit to find the short.Now I admit that only works on the circuits that are apart of the fuse block,but more often than not,the shorts are in those circuits.
Hope it helps someone.
Hope it helps someone.
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1999 Sonoma 4.3 5 speed-Rufus
1989 Astro-Ole Yellar cancelled-still selling off parts
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1994 Astro LT RWD W4.3 rod knock RIP
1982 Winnebago single rear wheel-Chevy 350 Scraped 1/28/13-broken dreams......
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1999 Sonoma 4.3 5 speed-Rufus
1989 Astro-Ole Yellar cancelled-still selling off parts
1985 Astro-shop van R.I.P. my friend
1994 Astro LT RWD W4.3 rod knock RIP
1982 Winnebago single rear wheel-Chevy 350 Scraped 1/28/13-broken dreams......
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How about you donate anyway. You've saved that money 10 times over with just a couple tips from here.Meterpig wrote:I will donate 10 bucks to AstroSafarivans.com. Maybe a mechanic can learn a thing or two from you.
Current rides:
2013 Toyota Tundra DC 4x4
2008 Dodge Nitro 4x4
2005 Nissan Sentra 1.8S Special Edition
Mileage spreadsheet
Vans owned:
1986 Safari 2.5L 4 speed manual - scrapped
1995 Astro 2WD conversion 4.11 posi, shift kit, DHC rock rails - sold to Skippy
1998 Astro 4x4 D44, D60, NP231, full hydraulic system with 9k# Milemarker winch and snow plow - sold to Lockdoc
2003 Astro AWD all stock - traded for a 3/4 ton truck
2005 AWD, 4.10's - sold to skippy
2013 Toyota Tundra DC 4x4
2008 Dodge Nitro 4x4
2005 Nissan Sentra 1.8S Special Edition
Mileage spreadsheet
Vans owned:
1986 Safari 2.5L 4 speed manual - scrapped
1995 Astro 2WD conversion 4.11 posi, shift kit, DHC rock rails - sold to Skippy
1998 Astro 4x4 D44, D60, NP231, full hydraulic system with 9k# Milemarker winch and snow plow - sold to Lockdoc
2003 Astro AWD all stock - traded for a 3/4 ton truck
2005 AWD, 4.10's - sold to skippy
Re: Tips and Tricks
I admit I "might" be reading this wrong. But over the yrs with these guys,I thought I found tons of mechanics here already.Question is why go anywhere to prove anything??.Meterpig wrote:reaper wrote:re read what I have said here.reaper wrote: Tanks can be dropped for pump access within 15 mins.
I read it but you said from start to when the pump is accessible. Tell you what, post it on youtube and if you can prove it-I will donate 10 bucks to AstroSafarivans.com. Maybe a mechanic can learn a thing or two from you.
Reaper-somethings never change.You can suggest,but there is always one........
1979 Malibu drag race only car
1999 Sonoma 4.3 5 speed-Rufus
1989 Astro-Ole Yellar cancelled-still selling off parts
1985 Astro-shop van R.I.P. my friend
1994 Astro LT RWD W4.3 rod knock RIP
1982 Winnebago single rear wheel-Chevy 350 Scraped 1/28/13-broken dreams......
Rochester,NY
1999 Sonoma 4.3 5 speed-Rufus
1989 Astro-Ole Yellar cancelled-still selling off parts
1985 Astro-shop van R.I.P. my friend
1994 Astro LT RWD W4.3 rod knock RIP
1982 Winnebago single rear wheel-Chevy 350 Scraped 1/28/13-broken dreams......
Rochester,NY