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HVAC question

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ok so i know there are some of you in the heating and ac business here so here goes.
I've got a hot water heating system in my home and one of my pumps decided to give up the ghost (not sure if it's the motor or the pump itself yet) anyways i was wondering what the new good stuff out there that i can upgrade to these pumps and motors are from the 50's


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Re: HVAC question

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Not much you can do here, bud. A new motor will have a higher efficiency rating. But at 1/4 or 1/3 hp, the savings will be minimal.
In general, hot water systems aren't that popular anymore. True, they don't dry a house out like a warm air system. But you can't use the same system to cool your home in the summer. Not efficiently, anyways.

Change the damn motor/pump and get on with your life, sonny boy. You ain't gonna make any post-millenium strides in technology here... :yawinkle:
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Re: HVAC question

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is there any newer design pump assembles i can go hunting for these things are ancient. if my pump did seize i'll need to replace it even getting the one i have will probably not be easy so if i can find something better i might as well it did the job for the most part tho till it melted one of the control boards.... twice (we are now using that pump on a old relay assemble) i'mma post a pic just to show you what i mean by old
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Jet performance tuner 91 octane preset, Jet under-drive pulleys
Rancho 999000 series shock, on-board controller to be installed later
DHC rock rails and skid plate Add-A-Leaf
G3500 front calipers
Zexel Torsen Diff
11" drums
180 amp Alternator
Long tru-cool 4590 trans cooler

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Can't help ya, bud. We don't do water-boilers etc... There may be improved technology out there, true. But I'm assuming your pump fits into a housing already plumbed into the line somewhere. Changing pump type would also entail cutting out the old housing re-plumbing etc.... And all for what?
If you have no choice, then you have no choice. But if it was for myself, I'd do a few Hail Mary's and hope to hell I could find a bolt-in replacement :-k
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Petey...

Don't you mean you would have one of your technicians bolt in the replacement? :poke: :muhaha:
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Now Dean that was uncalled for [-(



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Re: HVAC question

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holy crap while i was down there today i found a brand new pump still wrapped in plastic i hope the motor is ok and the pump kicked the bucket (i doubt it tho) so this is what i'll be working on
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and this is what the new motor did to the replacement relays
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apparently the new relays are too weak......
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Rancho 999000 series shock, on-board controller to be installed later
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G3500 front calipers
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Re: HVAC question

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Make sure it's not just the little springs in the pump section that haven't given up the ghost.......
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Re: HVAC question

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yeah last time we had to work on the pumps that's what it was hopefully i can work on it tonight after i work on the truck
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Jet performance tuner 91 octane preset, Jet under-drive pulleys
Rancho 999000 series shock, on-board controller to be installed later
DHC rock rails and skid plate Add-A-Leaf
G3500 front calipers
Zexel Torsen Diff
11" drums
180 amp Alternator
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Keep us posted. Oh, and Dean? Kiss my increasingly-hairy arse :butthead:

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peter wrote:Oh, and Dean? Kiss my increasingly-hairy arse :butthead:

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hummm-Deano,I thought electricians had apprentices doing all their work. :poke: :D
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Apprentice? What's that? We don't have have apprentices...I am the junior electrician on shift.
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The house I live in has a hot-water heating system as well. Pump died a couple of years back, and it was replaced with a new one. The only advantage I found it the newer ones are MUCH smaller, and quieter. Other than that, no change.
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Re: HVAC question

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Post resurrection time I have a lot of question about this system since i know nothing about it and have to do all the work on it
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what is this box called i never replaced it just hooked my pumps and thermostats up to the one remaining one (which seems to be holding out fine). It has the thermostats, pumps and boiler hooked up to it and switches them on and off.

Also what direction are these pumps supposed to be pumping I would think they would be forcing the heated water from the boiler up into the building but mine have been confirmed to be pulling the cooled water down and forcing it into the boiler is that normal? what i previous believed to be my return lines merge as soon as the enter the basement on route to the boiler , what i believed to be the supply lines split as soon as they come out of the boiler and the pumps are on the two separate lines (one for each level) but now that the flow is the opposite of what i had thought it doesn't seem as efficient for separately controlling the two zones
1998 GMC Safari AWD, BFGoodrich AllTerrain T/A
Jet performance tuner 91 octane preset, Jet under-drive pulleys
Rancho 999000 series shock, on-board controller to be installed later
DHC rock rails and skid plate Add-A-Leaf
G3500 front calipers
Zexel Torsen Diff
11" drums
180 amp Alternator
Long tru-cool 4590 trans cooler

1997 gone
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